Adem Bekiraj (40) is a company lawyer from Pristina. His wife, Hasine (39), worked as an architect there. The family was, he said, very well off by Kosovan standards. But they had to flee Pristina a week ago, spending one night at the border checkpoint in Blace. They have been at the Stankovic camp since.
They are lucky. They are together, with their two boys, Lum (9) and Lis (6). His neighbour in Pristina was Reaep Cosi, an Albanian delegate to the Rambouillet talks. The day before Adem and his family left Pristina, Mr Cosi's house was destroyed by a car-bomb, detonated by remote control. No one was in the house at the time. All the houses in the area were completely destroyed. He has no idea where Mr Cosi is now, or whether he is alive.
Adem personally knew Bajram Kelmendi, "one of the best lawyers in Kosovo", who was killed with his two sons by the Serbs in his house two weeks ago. Mr Kelmendi's wife, also a lawyer, is secretary to the moderate Democratic Party of Kosovo, of which Dr Ibrahim Rugova, the Kosovo Albanian leader, is president.
Adem does not believe Dr Rugova is in Serbia. He thinks those television pictures of him talking with President Milosevic and Serb officials are a montage. And if Dr Rugova is co-operating with the Serbs then it must be by force, Adem believes. He is not himself involved in politics but used to be a member of the Communist party when he was younger.
Adem, Hasnie and the two boys live at tent 183 in Stankovic. Its floor is simply grass covered with blankets. The entrance is a plastic bag over the muck. It was cold inside it yesterday, and it is "very, very cold at night", said Hasnie.
They have some blankets, but not enough, and no sleeping bags. The boys cough. They do not get enough to eat, said Hasnie, who speaks some English, and what they do get is "military food". It is not nourishing enough for children. She is worried about them. She is clearly just a few short steps this side of despair.
Life in Pristina had been particularly bad for the 10 days before they left, Adem said. All Albanian phones were blocked so they couldn't contact anyone.
Albanian pubs, shops and other buildings were destroyed and, although they were unafraid of NATO strikes, they did fear Serb revenge.
For four nights he didn't sleep. He stayed awake in the same clothes, waiting "for the knock on the door, to be killed". Yet another part of him just could not believe it would happen.
But they came, Serb police and militia "who were very, very cruel". They took his car and demanded money or said they'd burn his house.
They wanted 3,000DM but said they'd settle for 1,000. Even now he finds that amusing. They had to go. He took a train with his family. It was going to Macedonia.
His one desire now is to go home. His "biggest hope" is that NATO will accompany him. He has little confidence in the UN, as he believes China and Russia (on the UN Security Council) support the Serbs.
Hasnie asked if Ireland was taking refugees, and on being told we had agreed to, she wondered what was happening. When informed that a decision had been made that it would be better if the refugees stayed near Kosovo as that was where they wanted to be, she could not agree.
"We cannot stay in this," she said, gesturing around her, on the edge of anger. She would prefer if they could go to another country and return to Kosovo from there. With modern transport it should not be a problem, she felt.
The conditions in the camp were "very, very bad" she said. They could not stay there. The Macedonians did not want them and they did not want to be in Macedonia. She has a sister in Antwerp. She hopes the Red Cross will help them get there.
In the camp, other refugees pored over copies of the newspaper FAKTI (FACTS), produced by the Albanian ethnic minority in Macedonia. It was being given out free. Many of the Albanian refugees are suspicious of the Macedonian authorities, and fear the country's police taking over responsibility for security at the camps from NATO troops, with whom they are visibly very comfortable.