The former assistant Dublin city and county manager, Mr George Redmond, told the tribunal that he had received payments other than his employment income from people who sought advice about land, leases and investing.
Mr Pat Hanratty SC, for the tribunal, asked him about his career, which started in 1941 when he joined Dublin Corporation until he retired in June 1989. He asked him if at any stage he held any other employment.
Mr Redmond replied: "No, not really, not employment."
Mr Hanratty asked if had any other source of income.
Mr Anthony Harris, solicitor to Mr Redmond, said the questions should be limited to Mr Gogarty's allegations.
Mr Hanratty said that he was merely trying to establish if there was any other source of income during this period. Mr Harris again objected. The chairman said it was perfectly permissible. Mr Redmond said: "Mr Chairman, in view of the imminence of certain criminal proceedings against me by the CAB, I feel to go further into this would present difficulties for me and even for the tribunal."
Mr Hanratty asked again if Mr Redmond had any other source of income.
"What period?" asked Mr Redmond.
Counsel said during the period 1970 until he retired in June 1989. "I'm sure I had some other income all right," replied Mr Redmond. "From what source?" asked Mr Hanratty.
"I think you have my financial records," Mr Redmond said.
Mr Hanratty said he was asking about any other sources, not necessarily getting into details.
Mr Redmond said: "I came here this morning on the understanding that I would be questioned about the Gogarty allegations."
Mr Hanratty said that, as they understood it, Mr Redmond had been charged by the CAB for alleged failure to make tax returns. Was that a correct understanding?
Mr Redmond said: "As far as I know, it is. I see them as being directly related. It could be damaging to me." Mr Hanratty asked if there was any other form of economic activity and its nature. "Well, I'm not answering," said Mr Redmond.
The chairman said he was required to answer as there was no basis on which he could refuse under the Tribunals of Evidence Act.
Mr Redmond said he wanted time to consider his answer. The chairman adjourned for a quarter of an hour and, after the break, said that under the legislation if anybody refused to answer a question he or she could be charged with an offence which, if found guilty, would carry a £10,000 fine and/or up to two years in prison.
Mr Hanratty asked Mr Redmond if he had any source of income other than his income from his employment. Mr Redmond replied: "The tribunal is aware that in my affidavit I stated I received money from Mr Gogarty in that period, or close to that period. It may have been outside of my retirement."
Mr Hanratty asked if he was involved in any form of economic activity other than from his income.
"Over the years, I advised people or should I say, people sought my advice," Mr Redmond stated.
Mr Hanratty asked if that was for financial reward.
"In the end, if I got payment, it was not sought payment. In relation to giving advice, people asking me for advice, I suppose it would be a very, very small proportion of that resulted in anyone being generous to me at the end of it," Mr Redmond said.
The majority of people who asked him for advice did not pay him. It was very infrequent.
Mr Hanratty asked if he saw any conflict between his position as assistant city and county manager and giving advice of this nature.
"No, any advice I gave was in the council's best interest, the first requirement was that it was always in the council's best interest. In fact I twisted advice so that it would become favourable to the council," he said.
Asked how he built up his clientele, Mr Redmond said he did not have a clientele.